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How the Day Unfolded

12 Questions to Ministers were answered

Transcript can be found here

1 Question to a member was answered

1. PHIL TWYFORD (Labour—Te Atatū) to the Member in charge of the Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill (No 2): Why did he draft the Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill (No 2)?
ANDREW LITTLE (Labour - list)(Member in charge of the Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill (No 2)): Because, in 2016, no child in New Zealand should be living in a hovel, and it is time that New Zealand accepted a standard that no child should be getting sick or die because they cannot live in a warm, safe, dry home. This bill sets standards to ensure that every rental property is livable and will keep kids out of hospital.
Phil Twyford: How does this bill differ from the current law?
ANDREW LITTLE: The current law, propagated by the present Government, applies a standard for insulation that is only at the 1978 standard and requires the installation of smoke alarms. My bill requires there to be a source of heating, requires weathertightness, requires the house to be able to be ventilated, and has a minimum standard on drainage. The Children's Commissioner described the Government's current law as shameful and said that it will do little for children living in cold, damp, mouldy homes. My bill will be a whole heap better.

The General Debate was Held
The general debate is held every week on Wednesday after Question Time. The formal procedure for the debate is that a member move a motion that the house take note of miscellaneous business. Members have 5 minutes to speak to whatever issue they wish. At the end of the hour the motion lapses and no question is put or vote taken.
The speakers were:

Call	Member	Party	Seat	Topic
1.	Andrew Little	Labour	List	Housing, The Budget, The State of the Govt
2.	Amy Adams	National	Selwyn	The Labour Greens MOU & Government announcements in the past 4 weeks
3.	Iain Lees-Galloway	Labour	Palmerston North	Immigration
4.	Anne Tolley	National	East Coast	Welfare Reforms & Regional Development
5.	Ron Mark	New Zealand First	List	Immigration & the rise of New Zealand First at the expense of Labour and National
6.	Craig Foss	National	Tukituki	Andrew Little v Stuart Nash and East Coast development
7.	Peter Dunne	United Future	Ohariu	Children in New Zealand
8.	Sarah Dowie	National	Invercargill	Economic Growth and Development in Southland
9.	Marama Davidson	Green	List	Housing
10.	Jono Naylor	National	List	Recent Government Announcements
11.	Louisa Wall	Labour	Manurewa	Social Development & homelessness
12.	Dr Shane Reti	National	Whangarei	Government achievements and announcements

A transcript of the debate can be found – here
Private and Local Orders of the Day

The committee stage of the Royal New Zealand Foundation of the Blind Act Repeal Bill was completed. The debate on this non controversial bill was very quick - only 3 members took a call before the bill was agreed to and reported without amendment. The bill is in the name of Nicky Wagner (National - Christchurch Central)

Member’s Orders of the Day

The Minimum Wage (Contractor Remuneration) Amendment Bill was read a second time. This bill is in the name of Labour list MP David Parker. This Bill amends the Minimum Wage Act 1983 to extend its provisions to apply to payments under a contract for services that are remunerated at below the minimum wage. Act and National voted against the bill but the vote was won after United Future voted in favour of the bill.
The first reading of the Oaths and Declarations (Endorsing the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi) Amendment Bill was not agreed to. The purpose of this bill is to ensure that a person taking any oath set out in statute may, in addition to the words of the oath, elect to state that they will perform their duties in accordance with the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
This bill saw spirited debate including the contribution of Treaty Affairs Minister and Attorney General Chris Finlayson (National – list). Arguments in favour contended that one could swear an oath on a bible to uphold the law according to their religious belief but not to uphold the principles of the Treaty that founded our nation. The counter argument was one based on the lack of need and that government agencies already uphold the principles of the treaty during their day to day activities and are required to consider them during decision making.
The votes were:

Party Aye Nay

National 0 59

Labour 32 0

Green 14 0

New Zealand First 0 12

Maori 2 0

Act 1 0

United Future 1 0

Total 50 71
The Social Security (Stopping Benefit Payments for Offenders who Repeatedly Fail to Comply with Community Sentences) Amendment Bill was read a first time. The bill was passed 61 – 60. This bill is in the name of National MP for Rodney Mark Mitchell. This bill would give the Department of Corrections the power to issue warnings to persons who have not complied with community-based sentences, with the consequence of withholding benefit payments. It has been referred to the Social Services Select Committee.

Party	Aye	Nay
National	0	59
Labour	32	0
Green	14	0
New Zealand First	0	12
Maori	2	0
Act	1	0
United Future	1	0
Total	50	71

Debate Interrupted

The debate on the Customs and Excise (Prohibition of Imports Made by Slave Labour) Amendment Bill was interrupted when Mark Mitchell (National – Rodney) was speaking with 9 speeches remaining. The bill is in the name of Labour’s Tāmaki Makaurau MP Peeni Henare and amends the Customs and Excise Act 1996 to make goods produced in whole or in part by slave labour a prohibited import. National have indicated they will be voting against the bill.

The Biscuit Tin of Democracy
It has been a while but the biscuit tin has been dusted off and there was space for 3 bills to be drawn today. 79 bills were entered into the ballot.
The winning bills were:

Land Transfer (Foreign Ownership of Land Register) Amendment Bill - Mahesh Bindra from New Zealand First proposes a bill that would ensure that a comprehensive register of all foreign-owned New Zealand land is compiled and made available to the general public.
Residential Tenancies (Safe and Secure Rentals) Amendment Bill in the name of Green Party Co Leader Metiria Turei. This bill amends the Residential Tenancies Act 1986 to strengthen tenants’ rights and promote secure, long-term tenancies.
Airport Authorities (Publicising Lost Property Sales) Amendment Bill in the name of Port Hills based National List MP Nuk Korako. This bill will amend the Airport Authorities Act 1966 to provide airport authorities with greater flexibility when publicising the disposal of lost property.

Psephology Spotlight
Elections Concluded

In South Africa the ruling African National Congress suffered massive losses in their worst election performance since the end of Apartheid. The municipal council elections (which are conducted under MMP) saw the ANC lose majority control of many battleground cities including Johannesburg and Nelson Mandela Bay and minor parties now are engaging in coalition talks between the ANC and opposition Democratic Alliance over who gets to control the council. In the last election the ANC garnered 62% of the popular vote whereas this year they mustered 54%. Corruption and economic woes are attributed to the swing away from the ANC. Famously President Zuma was found by the Constitutional Court to have benefited from $16 million worth of illegal expenditure to his personal home. In another example local corruption resulted in hundreds of toilets being built, row upon row, where houses should be instead.- see 1:20 in the video The ANC have promised to do a review in preparation for the next general election in 2019 and the position of President Zuma appears to be on shakey ground. However, many factions within the party are loyal to Zuma and it is thought that it is unlikely he could be brought down without a fight. Turnout was particularly key to the election results. Significant amounts of the population are still loyal to the ANC and so express their dissatisfaction by not turning up to vote, as they will not vote for any other party. Winning these groups back by 2019 is the new priority for the ANC and the opposition is hoping to win them over by bringing new leadership to local government.
The small African island nation of São Tomé and Príncipe has a new president after their August 7 vote. The first round was held on July 17 and provisional results suggested that challenger Evaristo Carvalho, a former Prime Minister, had won but the result was annulled due to irregularities. Incumbent president Pinto da Costa boycotted the second round after claiming Carvalho engaged in fraudulent activity in round 1 meaning Carvalho was elected unopposed. Costa served as the nation’s first president from 1975 – 1991 and was elected again in 2011. He will leave office in early September.

Upcoming Elections

Presidential elections will be held in Gabon on 28 August 2016. The president serves a seven year term and is elected via first past the post. The issue for the opposition is that given the multitude of candidates standing (14 are approved to be on the ballot) vote splitting may result in incumbent President Ali Bongo Ondimba sneaking back into office much like how Ondimba was first elected in 2009. Former United Nations General Assembly President and Gabonese Foreign Minister Jean Ping is considered Ondimba’s toughest competition. Ping served under Ondimba’s father who was president of Gabon from 1967 until his death in 2009 and was involved in demonstrations against Ondimba which were broken up by police.
General elections and a constitutional referendum will be held in Zambia on 11 August. At stake are 150 members of the National Assembly, the five year term of president and an amendment to the Bill of Rights. The amendment would see Economic, Social, Cultural and Environmental rights inserted alongside civil and political rights. Additionally the referendum if approved would see the rules for amendments to the constitution and bill of rights changed. In the race for president Edgar Lungu of the Patriotic Front is hoping to be elected to his first full term in office after winning the 2015 presidential by election. He is facing a rematch with Hakainde Hichilema of the United Party for National Development who missed out on victory by 27,757 votes last time in a race that still is disputed. The election method is two round first past the post. The Patriotic Front currently has a plurality of seats (60) in the multi party National Assembly who are elected via first past the post.

Fact of the Day – Housing the Prime Minister
All over the world Prime Ministers and leaders receive as a perk of their office a home that they can reside in throughout their tenure. In the United Kingdom it is 10 Downing Street, The French Prime Minister calls Hôtel Matignon home, The Prime Minister of Canada gets 24 Sussex Drive while the Prime Minister of India gets 7, Race Course Road (A.K.A Panchavati). In Australia the Prime Minister has The Lodge in Canberra and Kirribilli House in Sydney. In New Zealand it is Premier House but this hasn't always been the case.
In the early days of the New Zealand Parliament, premiers were required to find their own accommodation. This changed in 1865 when the capital moved to Wellington and the government acquired a simple 22-year-old wooden cottage in Thorndon’s Tinakori Road. This was a damp, flood-prone gully, but it was close to Parliament. A Wellington newspaper, elated by the city’s new status, thought the £2900 price ‘cheap’. An Auckland paper called it a ‘monstrous waste of public money’.
New Zealands sixth Premier, Frederick Weld, didn’t get to spend long in the house. Weld made many enemies by overseeing the moving of the capital to Auckland from Wellington as well as seeing the confiscation of more than a million acres of land from Waikato Maori. The finances of his government were precarious at best and his relations with the Governor soured over the withdrawal of British Troops. In October 1865 his government resigned after less than a year in the position.
With the arrival of the Vogel family in 1872 the house adopted the name “the casino” and consisted of 8 bedrooms with conservatory and ballroom. The ballroom got a hammering. They made Premier House the social centre of Wellington. In July 1876 Lady Vogel sent out 250 invitations to a calico fancy dress ball, ‘the most brilliant of its kind yet seen in this city’. The Vogels also imported New Zealand’s first lawn tennis set, though Sir Julius was too unfit to chase the ball far.
In 1884 the Vogels returned for another three years. Sir Julius was obese and gouty, so Cabinet often met in an office built in the house. In 1886 he added a lift to take him from the dining room up to his bedroom.
After the Vogels moved out, the government tried to sell the property. But the press and public fought back. Wellington people valued its spacious grounds as a public amenity. Only the furniture was sold. Some suggested turning the site into an old men’s home or a university, but it stayed empty. MPs’ salaries had been cut, and the Liberal ministers of the 1890s had to live cheaply. Premier Richard John Seddon lived in a modest ministerial residence at 47 Molesworth Street. ‘This isn’t at all a nice house; it is surrounded, like a nunnery, with a high and close and ugly wooden fence, and presents a dismal appearance’, a voter complained. Seddon’s son remembered it fondly as ‘a political house. Politics was the sole subject day after day – at breakfast, dinner and tea.’
The Tinakori Street residence, vacant since 1893, was leased out from 1896 to 1900, when it became a ministerial residence again.
The house’s fortunes recovered when Seddon’s deputy, Joseph Ward, moved in. Ward, soon to be Sir Joseph, and prime minister from 1906, named it Awarua House. Like Vogel, he enjoyed the good life. The Wards threw ‘at homes’, garden parties, receptions, garden fetes, balls and wedding receptions. Sometimes over 1000 people gathered there. When Governor Ranfurly dropped in for a chat, they served him whisky in special large glasses. Sir Joseph liked to free office hours for talking or socialising. So he spent the early morning in his study in pyjamas and dressing gown, signing the documents delivered by his chief secretaries.
William Massey, the house’s next lengthy occupant, renamed it Ariki Toa, ‘home of the chief’. During the First World War the Masseys used it for patriotic activities.
In 1925, Gordon Coates called Ariki Toa ‘a happy home … a haven of rest’. That year he rebuilt the conservatory and added an enclosed veranda above it. Four years later Cabinet again tried to sell it. ‘Sunless and damp, and the gardening costly and unnecessary’, an official sniffed. But again, public protests prevented a sale.
Ariki Toa’s role as the prime minister’s official house ended in the 1930s when George Forbes moved out. In 1935 the new prime minister, Michael Joseph Savage, a frugal bachelor, made the break permanent by choosing a smaller ministerial home in Molesworth Street. Three years later, dying of cancer, he moved into Hill Haven, 66 Harbour View Road, in the suburb of Northland. Prime Minister Peter Fraser decided to remain in Hill Haven throughout the 1940’s preferring its scenic outlook.
Sidney Holland preferred a place with a guest bathroom. He renovated 41 Pipitea Street in Thorndon. This brick house is close to Parliament, but its surroundings were still industrial, ‘with a brewery chimney quite close, a paint factory next door, commercial offices (B.P. Ltd) on the eastern boundary.’ The section had a small lawn in front and room for a clothes line behind, but the house was too small to entertain official guests.
Holland’s National successor Keith Holyoake also lived there. In 1966 the air was still ‘sodden with the smell of hops and malt from the brewery up the street, and jackhammers are busy tearing down Victorian ruins all around.’ But the economy-minded Holyoake dismissed all suggestions of building a new official residence. The Holyoakes put buckets under the leaks in the kitchen roof whenever it rained. Today Pipitea Street is still an important part of New Zealand politics and serves as the home of the National Party offices
Holyoake was not as eccentric as he might seem. Ministerial houses were seldom very flash. Every time the government changed, prime ministers-elect trotted around these places, often still occupied by defeated ministers and their families. In November 1972, for example, Norman Kirk and his wife, Ruth, went house hunting. Because they knew Holyoake had let 41 Pipitea Street deteriorate, they did not even bother to look at it. They chose a Seatoun house recommended by their ministerial driver.
The Ministry of Works looked after ministers’ houses. As many had been bought only to be demolished for motorways and other development, it skimped on their maintenance and furnishing. Television came to New Zealand in 1960, but the Ministry waited until 1965 before providing TV aerials for ministers’ houses. Ministers paid for their own sets until 1973, when Cabinet made them free – provided the screens did not exceed 23 inches (58 cm).
In 1976 New Zealand regained an official home for its prime minister for the first time in 40 years. Ten years earlier, Jocelyn Vogel had given Vogel House in Lower Hutt to the Crown to mark 100 years of Parliament in Wellington. Designed in 1933 by Helmore and Cotterill, it was one of the Hutt Valley’s last large houses designed for a family and domestic staff.
Prime Minister Robert Muldoon rushed to refurbish Vogel House in time for a dinner for the visiting Queen Elizabeth II in February 1977. He was our first modern leader able to offer VIPs proper hospitality. David Lange, who succeeded Muldoon in 1984, never liked Vogel House and kept his family in Auckland. He ‘camped’ in a tiny first floor apartment in the house, moaning about the staff folding the edge of the toilet paper in neat triangles, hotel-style. Finding it too far from the Beehive, he saw out his term as prime minister in a flat near Parliament.
After Michael Joseph Savage rejected Tinakori Street, it became ‘the murder house’, a children’s dental clinic. The Public Works Department raised seedlings at the front of the grounds. In 1977 the dental nurses moved out, leaving the property empty. In the early to mid-1980s the Ministry of Works repiled the building and fitted sprinklers, but it remained underutilised. Some wanted to redevelop the site, but the Thorndon Society and the Historic Places Trust defended its heritage qualities. It is a Category I historic place on the Trust register. In the late 1980s, Minister of Internal Affairs Michael Bassett decided to restore 260 Tinakori Road as an official prime ministerial residence. The conservation of Premier House, as they renamed it, was a 1990 Sesquicentennial project. That year Geoffrey Palmerand his wife, Margaret, became its first official residents.
Premier House has housed every subsequent prime minister. Some made it a family home, but Helen Clark and John Key kept their families in Auckland, using Premier House as a workday squat. ‘There’s a little corner which has the bedroom and the bathroom, and … I go into the bedroom somewhere around midnight or later,’ Clark said in 2002. ‘The alarm goes in the morning, I wander along to the kitchen, I turn on the jug and make a cup of tea. Then I’m out of there.’
Nevertheless, Premier House hosts VIPs, such as Prince William, who attended a barbecue there in 2010. It is also used by politicians and officials for meetings and is the venue for events such as awards ceremonies. Premier House was one of the few Crown-owned ministerial houses retained by the government recently after it reformed ministerial expenses, terminated many leases and put ministers on to flat allowances to cover their Wellington expenses.
Information provided by NZhistory.net.nz
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[Table] IamA marketing executive at a casino AMA!

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Date: 2014-05-07
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Questions	Answers
So if he was making more than 500k it would be okay in your book? That's pretty messed up.	Seems like I'd be even more of a piece of shit if I was that successful.
Are you involved much with the general goings on of the casino? If so, what goes through your head when you see huge amounts of money being gambled away by someone who doesnt know when to walk away?	Yes, I'm an executive so I'm in touch with most everything that goes on. Most of the time when I see something like that, I just say "good for us" and try not to think about whether or not the person can afford it or not.
How much do you make a year? Unless you are making like $500,000+, then you are a piece of shit. you are destroying thousands of people's lives so that you can make a living and afford your bmw and other status symbols.	I don't make $500K a year so I guess that makes me a piece of shit.
What is the worst most tasteless thing you or the casino in general did to make money?	I, obviously, like to think I'm uber classy. But in general I think paycheck cashing promotions are pretty tasteless. E.g., Cash your paycheck and get 5% of the total value in free slot play.
Can you ELi5? Sorry, to me that just sounds like you hand over your $1000 you earned, and get back $50? Which seems wrong...? Or do you get an extra $50? Hmmm... Thoroughly confused myself.	Let's say your check is $1,000. The casino will cash your check and then also give you $50 in promotional credits to be used on the slot machines. The idea is that since we've given you some "free" money to begin playing the machines you will also dip into the $1,000 cash that we also handed you.
Are there any clauses that prevent you from just spending the $50 in free bets and cashing out the $1k without actually playing with it?	No, you get the $1K in cash and the $50 can only be used in the slot machine. I've done this once when I started my new job and my direct deposit wasn't set up yet so they issued me a live check.
How many people just walk directly out of the casino after cashing the check with their 5% bonus?	I don't know, I've never run this promotion but generally speaking when we give away promotional credits, the "walk rate" is in the 25% range.
How often do you go to the strip clubs in vegas? If you go how much do you spend? Do you get treated better if they know what your job is?	I really don't like them so not often unless someone is in town that wants to go. I don't have a moral objection, just think it's a waste. "Hey do you like to eat steak? Give me $20 to smell this delicious steak! No, you can't try it!!!".
	So that having been said, I might spend $20 to give to the girls on the stage and maybe a lap dance.
	No, I don't get treated better because of my title really. They usually just care about how much money you spend and that's it.
What are some sneaky strategies that you use to get people to spend more money? I don't mean obvious things like having ATMs...but things related specifically to gambling..	Ummm... Off the top of my head I think the sneakiest thing is probably side bets on table games (e.g., play an extra $5 and if your two cards are a pair then you win $25) because the odds are terrible or things like advertising low table game limits but modifying the rules (e.g., blackjack pays 6:5 vs 3:2) to increase the house advantage.
Some casino customers are super cheap and only play $1 Blackjack. Others are whales and the casino spends a lot of money to attract them, but they are rare. Somewhere in between, I imagine, there are customers who spend a significant amount and exist in numbers to make most of the casino's profits.	First, we quantify most everything by "theoretical worth". That is, how much we can expect to win from you based on the house advantage of the game you play and how long you play. The general formula is decisions per hour X house advantage X hours played X average bet. So, $25/hand at blackjack X 1.5% house advantage X 2 hours played X 60 decisions per hour = $45 in theoretical worth.
Is that true? How much does a "bread and butter" customer gamble in a day?	Second, It really depends on the particular property. The number is a lot higher for Wynn then it would be at Joker's Wild (a really, really dumpy casino on the outskirts of Vegas). That having been said, most places will be very happy to have you if you are in the $150-300 a day in theoretical worth range.
That sounds pretty affordable. Assuming a 30% comp return I guess that comes out to $50-90 in comps a day.	30% includes the stuff we send you in the mail generally too so at the $300 range you could expect a room and a meal a day.
What kind of awful rules are you using to have a 1.5% house advantage, or is that number based on the average player being really terrible? How much in comps would I actually generate for two hours of $25 a hand Blackjack?	I just threw the 1.5 number out there. We also factor in skill into house advantage so as to be more favorable to the player, comp wise. comp wise we'd probably give you 15% of the $45, or $6.75. That's just in what we call discretionary comps that the pit supervisor or host can give you. Then you could expect another 30% in the mail via free bets, hotel, food, etc.
I guess you need to register with the casino loyalty club so you know what we are spending.	Correct.
I currently reside in Arizona, where you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an Indian reservation and - as a result - a casino.	Well I've worked all over the country and, yes, of course we always keep an eye out on new competition that would impact our existing customer base, especially as the business has seen much more legalization in new jurisdictions in the past 20 years.
The casino/resorts are getting increasingly sophisticated. Better facilities, better entertainment, and better marketing.	For Vegas, I think most strip properties have dealt with this by investing in properties in regional markets so as to send their customers to their Vegas properties so it is pretty accretive. Someone from Harrah's Ak-Chin in the Phoenix area gets offers from Harrah's Las Vegas quite often.
Is this something the Vegas casinos consider a rising threat, welcome competition, or something else? How do you - as a marketing guy - react to the fact that a trip to a casino no longer necessarily means a trip to Nevada or New Jersey?	The bigger problem really is for the markets where they were a monopoly for some time and really rested on their laurels. Reno and Atlantic City come to mind. Those markets are dying fast and there really isn't much upside. In Atlantic City, for example, you have casinos buying competitors just to close them so as to reduce the inventory.
What really happens when somebody wins on a slot machine? Like, what is the behind the scenes stuff that we don't see? Are they checking out the cameras to make sure it was that specific person before they payout? What if you switch seats? What if an underage gambler wins?... What if they switch seats with an of-age gambler?? Honestly, I've never done that, but I've always wondered the underage stuff because I've never ever got carded on slots! I've won hand-pays before (nothing really exciting) and they always hit me with the tax form. What do you guys do with the tax form? Does it get sent out from you guys or does it remain my responsibility from thereon?	I worked as a slot analyst (analyzing machine performance) years ago and never on the floor so I don't know/remember the exact steps. Essentially, though, it's verifying that the machine is functioning properly and recording the details of the jackpot for audit/regulators. If it is a taxable jackpot ( >= $1,200) then we are required to fill out the IRS W2G form to report it to them for tax purposes so at that point we have to get your ID, etc. to facilitate that. Then of course, there is the matter of actually paying you the money, verifying that it is the correct amount, etc. The tax form does get sent to the IRS. You can request the taxes not be taken out of your jackpot as you are only taxed on the net win at the end of the year.
How did you get involved in the casino bussiness?	1/2.) Just needed a job and applied to a very entry level job and worked my way up.
Did you set out to work at one or did it come about another way?	3.) It can be fun and exciting.
What do you enjoy most about your job? Least?	4.) There's a lot of pressure to make money/meet your budget so all of the bullshit that goes along with that. Dealing with politics, having to adjust staffing, etc. And I don't like that at my level the usual tenure is 2-3 years so you move around a lot. I'd like to be more settled, especially in a place I'd really want to live for a long time and I don't feel like I have much control of that in this business.
1) When you talk about being moved around a lot, is that relating to being moved around in what you do at a particular casino? or more like which casino your working at? 2) Do you feel that your skills at this current job gives you fallback options should your tenure run out? ( Such as in other service based industries?)	1.) I mean there is only one of me at every casino so if something happens whether I don't like where I work or what something different (e.g., more money) or they don't like me (shocking, it happens!) then the likelihood that I have to move is high, especially if I'm in a city that only has a handful of casinos. 2.) I obviously feel like my skills could take me anywhere! But in reality, it has been tough to change industries when I've tried. Usually places like hotels don't pay as much as casinos and look for more sales-related skills and restaurants don't really have marketing people except at the corporate office whereas my skills are more analytics-oriented. And both usually pay less than casinos.
time I went to Vegas (around 30 years ago) it still had that "mob" vibe. When I got married there in the 90s (I joke now that I gambled on marriage in Vegas and lost half my stuff) it was much more "corporate" and "family friendly." The "What Happens in Vegas" campaign seemed to try and change that perception. Do you think there's value in returning Vegas to a more "wise guy" kind of feel...playing up the classic vibe, or is it just a big collection of theme parks with gambling?	The problem with returning to that type of vibe is that it's difficult/impossible given how big the casinos are. Sure it was easy for Benny Binion to control everything and not be "corporate" when the old Horseshoe was literally 1/10th the size of MGM Grand.
What was UNLV like? Did you live in the dorms? It seems like a strange school where everyone commutes and there's no college life around the campus. What are the pros and cons of going there?	I went there for grad school so was older and had a wife and a house. It is definitely a commuter school so there's not a lot of school spirit. I went to undergrad a school with a huge, huge, huge, football program so it was a bit of a change for me. I also didn't find the students to be terribly bright (with exceptions, of course). On the upside, a lot of people like living in Vegas and the Hotel Administration College (where I went) has very, very good brand recognition.
Do you find people have lots of misconceptions about the casino industry?	That the games are rigged and that we love giving away a lot for nothing/little in return are probably the two biggest.
So what's up with prostitutes and the casinos? I understand that prostitution is illegal in Vegas, but that they're still there. Is it like the movies, where they're just hanging out in the casino bars waiting to be picked up?	Yes, they hang out at the bars and then there are services you can call and have them sent to your room. If it's overt, casino security will clear them out of the bar area but the vice cops generally focus on human trafficking kind of stuff.
As an insider, what do you think the job prospects are in the industry for someone with a similar education background, but no casino experience?	1.) The industry relies heavily on industry experience so job prospects are good if you're willing to start in a low position and work you're way up. If you go to UNLV and get the degree I got and expect for some casino to make you a Director of VP with no experience then you're going to be very disappointed.
Is that just bizarre luck?	2.) Bizarre luck.
What does the industry think about states with Indian reservations that prohibit casinos like Texas?	3.) Definitely potential opportunity. I've read about that small tribe in Texas. It'll happen eventually in Texas. The people in Louisiana will not be happy, though.
Is it viewed as a potential opportunity for growth with a small tribe, more competition, or a wedge to open the state to gambling?	4.) No problem!
For every average person out there, would you suggest not playing? I mean, in the sense that, it's just not a viable option?	Viable for what? Making consistent money? Then definitely not. If you are entertained by thrill of gambling and have the discretionary funds to do it, then by all means.
Aw okay! cool. Any idea why people do it? Is it just a thrill? Would being a "whale", make more of a difference?	For the people that do it for entertainment, it's the thrill of anticipation.
Was it hard getting a job with such a detailed degree?	My undergrad degree is pretty bland, political science, so it wasn't hard at first. I did my grad degree in casino management because I was living in Vegas, wanted to get an MBA, didn't want to take 2 years off from work to get a full-time degree, didn't have the support of my job to get an executive MBA, and didn't like UNLV's MBA program.
EDIT: Thanks for answering my first AMA question! Really good answer too!	NP! Keep asking away!
What's your favorite aspect of your job? And do you like to gamble yourself?	1.) It can be exciting. Picking new acts to play in your showroom seems more exciting to me than selling propane. 2.) Yes...
What is the best way for tourist to get the best bang for buck in your casino for entertainment, food, gambling etc to have a good time and not go broke?	I'm currently working at a Vegas strip property.
If you can answer in terms of Vegas, that would be great also.	Unless you have something more specific in mind, the first place I'd direct you to is the Las Vegas Advisor Top 10 Deals List.
With legal online poker gaining momentum which might mean eventual legal online gambling for other house games online; are the casinos doing what they can to kill this before it starts or your thoughts on this?	Las Vegas Sands / Venetian is actively trying to kill it (which I don't really understand) but everyone just sees it as a means to make more money so are ready to pounce when it's legal.
I don't know if you're still answering questions, but what are the qualifications for being, say, a Texas Hold'em Dealer in Vegas, specifically your casino, and are the dealers specific to just one game? I.e. omaha, hold 'em, pai gow, stud... Also, without being too specific, what is the average annual income for said occupation? Are the dealers payed solely by tips/do they get to keep all tips?	1.) Generally there are poker dealers and table games (e.g., blackjack) dealers. Few do both. Among the table games dealers, most know multiple games as the more you know the more hirable you are. In terms of the qualifications it's just that you've gone to some sort of dealer school (there are commercial ones and some casinos do it in-house), experience, and a live audition. 2.) Really depends on the market and the casino. At the high end like Wynn or Venetian they will do close to $100K/year but at an entry-level place it could be more like $25K/year. It's base salary plus pooled tips (aka tokes).
	3.) You've never thought of dealing the WSOP? They need as many dealers as they can find.
Do Casino's design their decor for different target groups?	Of course. Hard Rock and Cosmo are designed for younger demographics and Wynn and Venetian for older affluent ones.
I find all Casino's to be outright horrible to my senses due to the noise/flashing lights.	Encore and the new Barrymore are definitely designed for the Asian gambler. And you'd, obviously, have to assume the casinos in Macau are, too, although I've never been.
Could you describe your typical work day? also I've had some great times a Joker's Wild!	Ha! I honed my dice skills at JW!
	Typical work day is get to work and look at the previous day's financial results and react accordingly. I.e., ask the analysts to pull numbers, talk to the head of a certain department about their opinion on something, etc.
	Emails emails emails.
	Then it's usually a lot of meetings about upcoming things whether it be planning an event, approving new advertising, doing the strategic planning for the property for 2015, meeting with vendors, etc.
	Emails emails emails.
	By this time the numbers or reports I've asked to be run are ready so I sit down and look at them and act accordingly (e.g., hey, looks like we're spending too much on postage to mail to customers too far away, let's change the way we do this for next time), etc.
	Emails emails emails.
	Then it's usually time to go home but 2-3 times a week I'll have a dinner or event to go to with a vendor or colleague or someone from the press.
	Emails emails emails.
	Probably 2-3 Saturdays a month I'll go in and work for a few hours just to catch up on stuff or if there's an event to meet and greet players, make sure everything is going well, etc.
	Emails emails emails.
Has the rise of 6:5 blackjack been hurting the game's popularity, or are there enough people who don't "get" the odds change (or don't care) that it all works out in the end? Is the odds change enough to swing the game back in the casino's favor in the long run even if players count cards? And what about continuous shuffling machines: have any of the casinos you've been with used them, and how did the players react?	The masses don't care about either especially if you're able to offer low limits. The limit and the number of decks is what attracts people to a bj game. Still never going to allow counting.
Is is harder to get jobs in the background or management functions of the casino?	Well certainly there are more what we call "front of house" positions (dealers, porters, servers, bartenders, etc.) than "back of house" positions (accountants, IT, warehouse, etc.) so in terms of pure numbers, yes it's easier to get -any- FOH than -any- BOH position.
I'm an IT grad looking to move back to Vegas and wondered if there were more "non-floor" jobs than actually functional jobs.	That having been said, if you're wanting an IT position shouldn't be too hard if you're willing to work anywhere and have a little experience. If you're wanting to just jump into the CIO job at Bellagio, more difficult.
Great! thank you. I've got about 8 years under my belt, but dear god...no CIO for me. This really eased my worry about options. thanks.	You should be OK as long as you're not too picky.
Just how rigged are the automatic roulette machines?	They aren't. The games have to go through pretty rigorous testing by the state or an agency of the state to be allowed to be sold. Gaming Labs International is one such company.
I would think that SEO campaigns and similar web based marketing would be ineffective techniques for a casino in a place like Las Vegas. Is this the case? I know I'm quite late but I would love to know if you have time.	We definitely do SEO/SEM campaigns but primarily for hotel related keywords for people looking for hotel rooms. I worked at a place a little outside of the main city in the south one time and we'd buy broader search terms for people looking for "entertainment in main city" in case they didn't know there was a casino nearby.
Thanks for the response. I was just curious about engaging people in person in public? Do you operate campaigns on the street such as call to action flyers or similar? Are there laws specific to this type of promotion in Las Vegas?	Not a typical marketing channel most casinos explore, but it's not entirely unheard of. Sorry I'm not entirely sure of the laws.
Who owns the casino you work at? Is it one guy or a publicly traded company?	I'd rather not say as I don't want to be outted but I have worked for large publicly traded companies, privately held companies (e.g., owned by hedge funds), and publicly traded companies where one individual owns the majority of the shares. I've never worked at a privately owned casino owned by one individual, though.
How do I get over 65 year olds excited about my product?	Without knowing what said product is, the best thing I can say is to figure out how to make it relevant to them.
What does a marketing exec. at a casino make a year?	Depends on the size of the property. 75 at a small riverboat casino to 250 at a large place like Bellagio.
To succeed in marketing, what is the first step to landing a successful job? and what should be the over arching goal in mind to maintain a competitive advantage over fellow competition as well as new shifts in market trends?	1.) be tenacious. take any job you can get. be a sponge and learn everything you can.
	2a.) don't be afraid to fail, but be smart (and profitable) about it.
	2b.) don't rest on your laurels. stay in touch with your customers.
Go on ... What does a casino do in that regard?	From a gambling standpoint, people in that age range like penny slots so we offer a lot of penny slots. We put on shows that would appeal to them. We would make the decor more classic vs hip. Etc.
I've always wanted to work in the gaming industry. I have a strong sales background and a B.S. degree... which department would you recommend to get my feet wet?	Probably player development which is the department that deals with VIP guests or maybe special events/promotions.
What's the best movie you've seen this year? You did say we could talk about life in general...	Absolutely! 12 Years a Slave.
	Edit: Also, Dallas Buyer's Club.
Dang, haven't seen it yet...will have to wait for it on DVD or streaming. Edit: Haven't seen that one either. I'm starting look like a Philistine.	It's pretty heavy but sometimes that's good.
Do you prefer to market for families or adults? Casinos are adult fun, but I've noticed a shift in the past decade.	Definitely adults.
Your AMA was one of the best, you answered almost every question, so if you're still answering here's one: If a young person comes in and wins more than 100k and then just leaves, would you suspect him/her of anything?	It really depends more on the manner in which you win and how you behave. We're required by law to fill out a Currency Transaction Report for transactions over $10,000. So if you got to that point you would have already given us your ID, etc. We'd obviously make sure that surveillance is watching you to make sure you're not cheating but if you're on a random hot streak and betting $10K/hand then it wouldn't be a huge deal at most strip properties.
How about a free load just this once? lol. But hypothetically what would 10 grand get you :(	At my place, (which is not an uber classy place like Wynn or Venetian), you'd get pretty much whatever you'd want. Suite, dinners, limo from the airport, show tickets, etc. We'd generally reinvest in you 30% of your loss so just figure out what $3,000 in comps would get you.
What advice can you give to new grads who want to get into marketing, but can get work due to lack of experience?	As I mentioned in a previous post, I believe you really just need to be tenacious and take anything to get your foot in the door. It's a very crowded field, especially on the what I call "pretty picture" side of marketing. I wish I had a more specific answer to give you.
What does being a marketing executive involve?	I usually say I'm in charge of driving profitable revenue. The departments that report up to me are charge of advertising, promotions, entertainment, public relations, direct mail/database marketing, and VIP marketing.
I'm coming to Vegas in December from Australia, can you PM me your email address?	Just PM me. Happy to see if I can help
Do casinos hire interns? I'm currently a student at a public university.	Absolutely. I think most of the major companies have management training/internship programs. Go to their careers websites. Caesars Entertainment, MGM International, Pinnacle Entertainment, Penn National Gaming, etc.
Would you recommend a job in marketing? what skill sets would be helpful for marketing? i'm interested in it but not entirely sure what it's about.	I think the best combination in today's world is to be more right brained with a creative bent as more and more the question asked of marketing folks is "quantify how your idea makes me money?" and less and less "what's the most most creative idea you have?"
	It's a crowded field especially on the left brained side (e.g., advertising and public relations) because people think it's "cool". So if that's you're interest, I'd say being tenacious and creative is what is going to get you far in that world because it's tough to get your foot in the door and you have to have thick skin and then when you do get your foot in the door you are going to have a very short leash to prove yourself.
Any specific company you recommend?	If you're at the intern stage, apply liberally.
Do you have the sides backwards, or do I?	Um, well I think of left brained as creative and right brain analytical?
How selective is the casino management program at UNLV?	The hotel management program in general is not selective but the casino management program is difficult because it's pretty quantitatively-focused so there's a lot of attrition.
What do you do for family entertainment in Vegas?	I'm single so that having been said, there's all your typical family stuff to do here: parks, camping, hiking, movies, bowling, etc.
You don't have any family in Vegas? What's something that you go do with your friends, then?	I'm not from here and my ex-wife hated living here thus why she's my ex. My friends and I go and see concerts, go to bars, we like guns so go shooting sometimes, and most Sundays cook for each other.
Sounds like a nice life!	It's OK. City is kind of soulless and superficial.
One of my favorite aspects of Vegas is that if you want your experience to improve, it's usually a strategic $20 tip away... whether that be a tip to upgrade your room when you check in, to skip the long line at a club, to get a table with a great view at dinner... What potential 'Experience' improvements would you recommend in Vegas?	Link to thetwentydollartrick.com
Vegas or Macau. Which is better?	Better for what?
Have you read The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester?	I haven't.
So basically I should just buy from the half off kiosks?	Yes.
How do you feel about those who are addicted to gambling and those who have lost everything because of it?	Bad, obviously.
Late to this ama, are you still taking questions?	Sure!
Sure buddy.	Do you mean to say that you don't believe me?
I just got started in hospitality marketing, any advice?	Doing what, exactly? Just be willing to make not a lot of money for awhile and be willing to relocate frequently if you want to move up the ladder. I guess those are the first things that come to mind.
Have you had any good marketing ideas that you couldn't do due to marketing regulation.	Not necessarily due to regulation but a lot of times you're gun-shy to do a promotion because well, what happens if no one shows up?
Bastard.	Danka.

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[Table] IAmA doorman at a world famous Las Vegas nightclub, an aspiring writer, and a former strip club bouncer. AMA!

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Have you ever slept with one of the strippers? How was it?	Yes! Several times. Most of them were very enjoyable. A few were were not. One was very very bad. Total stalker. It's just like sleeping with anyone that you work with. You're going to see them the next day at work, plan accordingly.
If you need to remain anonymous please message the mods with proof, as all AMAs require proof. Everything sent to moderators are kept completely confidential.	It would depend on the club. Marquee has sort of a strange layout. The interior of the club has absolutely nowhere to stand. It is made up of tables for bottle service, the dance floor, and then a walkway that goes in a half circle around the dance floor tables. Security keeps this area constantly moving. So if you don't get a table, you pretty much have to go out on the patio where the pool is. I do believe that in a busy club, bottle service is usually worth it. If you have say four guys paying cover and having half a dozen drinks, you're already looking at $100+ apiece, so you might as well cough up another $25 to $50 each and have some real estate. This gives you a home base you can fall back on as needed. It's also a nice way to meet girls. Their feet are sore from the ridiculous shoes they are wearing. They want to sit. Just avoid bottle pirates. (Girls who pour themselves drinks then disappear.) If you're a group of girls, the same rules apply, except the cover will be lower or non existent. There is one thing working in your advantage. The week after a busy holiday like Labor Day, most clubs see a drop in business. So if you do get bottle service you'll get a nicer table, and if you don't the club shouldn't be packed. Also it is cooling off so the weather out on the patio is very nice. But then again, my club has been packed every Friday since Memorial Day weekend, so I could be wrong. tl;dr Table service is usually a good idea. Have fun.
Do you think table service is really the only way to go?
What is the craziest thing you have ever witnessed on the job?	I get asked this question a lot. In fact, after, "Where is the bathroom?" This may be the most frequent question I hear. The truth is, it's very hard to answer. I've been doing this for so long, and we have so many customers come through on a typical weekend, that I see more crazy stuff every week than most people see in a year. So whenever I get asked this I always try to come up with a recent anecdote.
	In fact this just gave me a great idea. Redditors, feel free to ask this question repeatedly. I will try to have a unique answer for each one. This may actually be a terrible idea...
	Several years ago I was working at a nightclub that had a large waterfall that dropped into a pool just outside of the dance floor. On occasion customers would climb over the metal railing beside the pool and jump in. We would kick them out as soon as they got out of the pool, which was usually pretty quickly. But one customer simply didn't get out of the pool. He just stayed in there treading water and swimming from side to side.
	We kept telling him to get out, but I think he realized pretty quickly that none of us were going to go jumping in the pool in our suits so he just ignored us and kept swimming. It's like 2am, so we don't have any kind of life guard on duty in the casino that could go in after him. So after awhile we gave up. We left a security out on the patio to watch him, and lead him out when he finally got tired of swimming.
	After more than an hour he finally got out of the pool because he wanted a beer and we refused to bring one out to him. When he did get out, wearing just a soaked pair of boxers, he took off running through the club, mostly naked and dripping wet. He was pretty quick, and I think he would have made it all the way out, but he got lost and ran into the back hallway, where half of our security staff was standing. Plus, as we pointed out to him once he calmed down, we had his clothes, shoes, wallet, and phone. Where was he going to go?
Tryst is awesome!	I loved working there. Great food in the employee dining room.
Ok.	Years ago, I was walking through a packed club I was working at. I saw a petite Asian girl sitting alone in a booth with her head slumped forward. I assumed she was asleep so I shook her shoulder to wake her up. No response. I shook her harder, still no response. I did a couple more tests for unconsciousness and got nothing. So I checked her pulse. It was very slow. I called it in on the radio, picked her up and carried her back to our medic station. The medic couldn't awaken her either, so he called for an ambulance. There was one right outside the casino. On the way to the hospital, her heart stopped. Luckily for her, they were able to revive her and she lived. She came in to the club the next month, and told us that her boyfriend had been trying for a few weeks to get her to try GHB. She had declined, so he put it in her drink that night. He was away from the table when I found her. When he saw me carrying her to the back, he took off, because he was worried about getting busted. I asked if she had broken up with him since he nearly killed her. She said no. He had apologized, and said he felt really bad. They were together like another year and a half. tl;dr A female patron's boyfriend nearly kills her when he spikes her drink with GHB and she doesn't dump him.
What is the craziest thing you have ever witnessed on the job? :p
Is it true if the clubs start getting busy you guys are supposed I find the "uglies" and kick them out for being to drunk? I have heard that at nicer clubs they do this all the time, if yore not dressed up or if you are not attractive they'll start pulling then out ...	Actually when we get really busy we have no trouble finding people to kick out. If anything, people start getting away with shit that would normally get them kicked out just because we are so busy. When you have a ratio of customer to security over 50 to 1, shit happens.
	But this is frequently heard on busy night, "We're at capacity, find some people to kick out." We don't however do it by looks. We rarely even do it by gender, because one of the most common types of people we kick out are drunk girls.
	"Oh my god Becky! Why did you drink all of those shots! You're ruining my birthday!"
Damnit, Becky.	Becky is the worst.
I know this is a day old, but holy shit yes this. I do security here in Seattle at a bar, and it usually always the girls that are the pain in the ass and you want to throw out.	They're also the worst at the door.
	Shocked expressions all around when told to pay cover. "But we're girls! We never pay cover back home!"
	"You should go back there then."
	Or my personal favorite, "Since when do hot girls pay cover?!"
	"They don't. That will be $20 each."
Since you're here, I have a question. I have an opportunity to be a doorman at a bar in my college town a few nights a week. I think it'd be a lot of fun and I'm a big dude at 6'2 and 235. I also happen to be black which helps intimidate people for whatever reason. The problem is that I've never been in a fight. I'm slightly worried that might get me hurt at some point. I'm definitely not averse to fighting, people just don't come at me for that. Should I go for it anyways?	Sure. You don't need to know how to fight to be a bouncer. Its much more important that you are able to talk to people. Verbal judo > real judo. And most fighting, from a bouncers point of view, consists of grabbing people and dragging or pushing them out the door. A little training helps, but it's not absolutely necessary.
That's great to hear. I'm not only good with words but also conversation. I lift regularly so I'm not worried about being strong enough. Just didn't want to get my ass kicked or something. I might be starting as soon as this weekend.	If you've never taken a punch, you might be surprised by how little it hurts most of the time. I sometimes get hit and don't even notice it until I'm looking at video later and watch someone punch me in the back of the head. That's usually when I realize its been a little sore recently. Unless you get it right on the eye or on the nose. That stings. Or the balls. Watch out for short girls with sharp knees. And make sure you're doing cardio. It's not lack of strength that will hurt you while you're wrestling some guy out the door, it's getting winded.
How did you get into the business? What was your first crazy experience?	I started bar tending as a way to make money when I got out of the military. I started doing security/bouncing/bodyguard work when a bar patron offered to pay me a lot more money than I was making behind the bar.
	My first crazy experience that I can remember happened at a little dive bar I was bartending at. I had several regulars that were in almost every night. One was a married couple from Mexico that were my best tippers. One night a skinny little black guy came into the bar and started hitting on the wife the minute he walked up to the bar. She politely shot him down and her husband did it a little more forcefully, but the guy persisted.
	I finally stepped in and told him to leave them alone or I'd have to ask him to leave. He ignored me and put his hand on her shoulder. So I came around the end of the bar and told him to leave. He hauled back to punch me, so I grabbed him by the neck walked him back four or five feet, and choke slammed him up against an electronic dart board with his feet about two feet off the ground.
	Then I kicked the door open and threw him out onto the sidewalk. He rolled around on the ground yelling about how he was going to get a gun and shoot me. A few minutes later one of my customer went outside for a minute and when he came back in he told me he'd walked over to the Circle K across the street to grab some cigarettes and the guy was on the pay phone telling someone to bring him a gun.
	So I called 911 and they sent two patrol cars to check it out. They rolled up right as his friend arrived with a little .22 pistol in his pocket and arrested both of them.
	Tl;dr Choke slammed a guy who wouldn't take no for an answer, almost got shot.
How's that novel you've been working on?	I love this clip. My protagonist is totally compelling. And only four months so far. :)
What's the best way to guarantee getting into the club for a guy besides dressing well and having 2 ladies on each arm? If I had to sweet talk a bouncer to let me in what should I talk to them about?	If it is a one time visit you should talk to them about how'd you really like to give them $20 (or more depending on how busy the club is) and pay the cover without complaining. Having girls does help, but not nearly as much as most people think. We doorman learn pretty quickly that if we ask the girls if they would like to go in without you, they will frequently bail on you.
Can promoters really get you VIP status? The last time I went to Vegas, my fiancee (she was my girlfriend at the time), her best friend, and myself would get bombarded by promoters when walking down the strip in the middle of the day. They would always tell us that they could get us into such and such a club, no cover, VIP area, etc. My fiancee and her friend are VERY attractive, but I was surprised that we got so many offers since I was with them. We ended up saying no to them and doing our own thing. Should we have listened to the promoter?	No. Pretty much none of them even work for the clubs. At best they might be independent hosts, who might be able to get you in quickly if you are buying a bottle for which the club will pay them a commission. At worst, they are scam artists who will sell you VIP tickets that they made at kinkos. Then when you come to the club and we tell you the passes are fake, you go up on the internet and complain about how WE ripped you off. We deal with this all the time.
	To the best of my knowledge there is not a single club in Vegas that presells tickets outside of the club. If you want to get into the club, walk up to our velvet ropes and talk to us. Maybe hold up a little cash. If you're getting a bottle, walk up and clearly state, "I would like to get a bottle." We have people that are paid just to take care of you and make sure you won't have to wait.
	Promoters are the worst. Even promoters that actually work for clubs are pretty much ignored by those of us at the door. They are like the bottom rung of the nightclub ladder. They're not even a rung. They are the little stain at the base of the ladder where somebody spilled something. Well not all of them. A few of my friends are promoters, and they're ok.
Thanks for the reply. I guess it's good that we told them no thanks. What is a decent tip to offer a doorman if you want to skip the line? Would it be more like $20, $50, or $100?	Start at $20, go up if the club is busy. That's per guy and you still pay the cover. You usually don't need to tip for girls to get a line pass, just cover.
What's the best way for me to get into the nightclub industry? (M,21)	It would depend on the job you wanted to get, what size you are, and what kind of clubs they have in your area.
	If you want to bartend, go to bartending school and be willing to work as a barback for a very long time before you get to tend bar. Also, be aware that most bartending jobs are filled by women. Lots of bar owners think it's good for business.
	If you have large nightclubs, especially ones that do bottle service, a better option may be to apply for a job as a bottle runner or busser. Basically, you assist a server in setting up her bottle service tables, and you make sure that they have everything they need. You also keep the club clean. In return you get a portion of the tips from the bottle service sales.
	If you are somewhat attractive and charismatic become a host. You'll be popular and make pretty good money, but you have to be willing and able to go out and promote your club. The money varies wildly.
	If you're a big guy and you can keep a cool head, get into security work. But be warned the pay for most security jobs is terrible. You'll make a fraction of what everyone else in the club makes, unless you are in a very good position like, running the door or controlling access to a VIP room. It can be very fun though.
	If you know music and you can run the necessary software, learn to be a DJ. They can make a lot of money for very little actual work.
Thanks for the reply! I live in las Vegas as well, diet out find it hard to get a job in one of the clubs here?	Sorry, but I don't understand your question.
Translation: "I live in las Vegas as well, did you find it hard to get a job in one of the clubs here?" I believe.	I came here on vacation years ago. I was visiting a friend and former coworker who had moved to Vegas a few months prior. He was short a roommate for the house he was renting and he wanted me to move to Vegas and live with him.
	The 2008 financial collapse when our unemployment skyrocketed.
	A club where I had been hired as the Operations Manager hired a new GM when the managing partner sold his shares. The new GM laid me off because I wouldn't accept a salary reduction of 33%. He ran them into the ground and they went out of business about two months later.
	One of the new super clubs opened a couple of years ago. I was a lock for an assistant security manager or supervisor position but someone vetoed me for the job. He hadn't worked with me, but apparently he had some kind of grudge. Maybe I kicked him out of another club at some point.
What are some perks of working in such an establishment?	Free admission to pretty much every club in town. Comped meals at some of the nicest restaurants in Vegas including STK and N9NE Steakhouse, free show tickets to Blue Man Group, Pen & Teller, and a bunch of concerts, free clothes, free CDs, lots of other free and discounted stuff. I've met lots of people that have hired me do private security which pays very well. I spend all night talking to people and having fun. I am surrounded by beautiful women. Free lap dances when I go to strip clubs from girls who know me from work. People bring me gifts. For example last night a customer went to the coffee shop in the casino and bought me an iced Chai Latte. I have tons of great stories I can tell people.
What's the best way for me to try to tip the bouncer to get into a busy club as a single guy? I have tried just asking or putting cash in my hand and shaking the guys hand. What do you recommend? Ask a price first or just try to pay $30-$40?	Paying first is usually pretty effective. Most bouncers are hesitant to quote a price, because then word might get around that they're telling people, "Give me $ and I will get you in." That can get them fired. But if a customer gives them an unsolicited tip they can usually hook him up. But keep in mind that you will almost always have to pay cover on top of that tip. Otherwise the bouncer would be costing the owner money, and that is a no bueno.
	$20 is pretty standard if the club isn't really busy. If there is a big line expect more. I have turned down $100 tips because we were too busy for me to accept such a 'small' tip. And sometimes the club is genuinely full. Most clubs will not go over capacity for fear of being shut down by the fire department. But in that situation, a good tip will ensure that you will get in as soon as someone leaves.
Have you ever been hit on to get in?	All night, every night. In a typical weekend, half a dozen girls will ask for my number. Flirting with the bouncer is a very good tactic. But's it's not 100% successful. Keep in mind it happens all night. Ladies, bring your A game. If I get to wear I remember your name even before I see your ID, that's a good sign. But also understand, even when I want to get you in the club, sometimes I can't. For example, Labor Day weekend.
When asked for ID and I don't have it for whatever reasons, is there any way I can convince you to let me in? (I'm 27, Male, but I still get asked for my ID a fair bit) How much would the average bouncer put his neck out to stop trouble? I mean I've heard of people in other security jobs (e.g. unarmed police building guards, here in UK) just running away at any real trouble (especially anyone armed)?	Many states, including Nevada, have laws that require you to have photo ID with date of birth on your person, when you are in an establishment that serves alcohol. This isn't just because we have to make sure you are 21. If you get into a drunken brawl and get arrested, get pulled over for a DUI, or get sent to the hospital with alcohol poisoning, the emergency services want to be able to identify you. No proof of identity/age, no service. I wouldn't risk serious personal injury for my job. I don't get paid that much and I don't have medical insurance. So any injury would result in a worker's comp claim. I'd take a punch to keep a coworker or a female patron from being hurt, and I have several times. Guys, you're on your own.
Re 3: i think it's the probably the hair, I was going through a kurt cobain phase when I got my id pic taken and also the fact I look like 12 in it. Edit: also your susan comment made me think of this glorious Johnny Cash song: Link to tunebang.com	Making fun of ID photos is one of my favorite ways to pass time at work. Made a stupid face at the DMV? Recreate that exact expression or I won't let you in!
Not sure if serious but funny nonetheless. I can just imagine a huge 400 lb bouncer holding up the line saying "Make the face... Now!"	I do this all the time. I never have anyone refuse to make the face, although I do have to ask several times on occasion. I wouldn't really keep them from entering, but no one has called my bluff so far. Plus their friends always pile on and make them do it.
	"Dude make the face! Heh, you look stupid."
In all your 15 years, what are some of the craziest people you've met?	Drunk Korean girls. They are hi-larious.
	Actual crazy people. I work in clubs located in casinos, and you get crazy homeless people wandering in off the street and yelling at you. Sometimes they throw stuff too. Or they try to hug you. There's this insane little old woman who is in love with me. Every time she shows up. "Hey ___, your girlfriend is here!" I work with a bunch of assholes.
	Pervy old guys that hang out at the back of the crowd and grope girls. They're on like 20 cameras, but they still get surprised when we catch them. We caught a guy one time who kept pretending to stumble forward, then he would 'catch' himself by grabbing a couple girls asses. When I busted him, it turned out he worked for another casino owned by the same company as the one we were in. He was drunk so the casino security let him off with a warning. He came back and did it three more times over the next two month. I busted him every time. He ended up getting fired. Look, many of our female patrons love to spend time at the gym. And most of them clearly do lots of squats, so I can see the temptation. Hell I see it walk by me a hundred times a night, but look don't touch. And don't touch four times at a place owned by the company you work for. That's just stupid. And creepy, really really creepy.
Which night club did you work at and what was the craziest experience you have encountered as a bouncer?	I have worked at about a dozen. I once busted a guy dealing drugs in the bathroom. We cuffed him, took him to the back room, and searched him. He had like 15 different kinds of drugs on him. He was a walking pharmacy. He's a big body builder, and when I tell him the cops are on the way to arrest him he starts bawling. Big, chest heaving, hyperventilating sobs. Like a two year old. Turns out he had just gotten out of prison and was on parole. He was facing 15 years if he got busted again.
How often to doorman/bouncers get attacked on the job? Whats your ~~worst~~ best injury story?	It depends on how you define an attack. I have people try to push and shove me pretty often, but mass/inertia/sobriety are usually working in my favor. So most of the time, they push themselves back or fall down. I might have to grapple a little with someone every month or two. And maybe once or twice a year someone will take a swing at me. Sometimes they connect, but I have pretty dense bone structure and plenty of padding so I don't usually get hurt. And then every once in a while a girl will bite me, or scratch me, or hit me something like a bottle or a shoe. I took a stiletto heel to the eyebrow a few weeks ago.
	I've actually never really been injured as a bouncer. I've had a few muscle strains, some bumps and bruises, and a few minor cuts. I was hurt much worse when I worked as a broiler cook for three years. I have a few nasty burn scars from splashed hot oil, and once I dislocated three of my fingers when I was scooping ice too fast and hit them on the edge of the ice machine.
"plenty of padding" Are you fat? How much do you weigh? How tall are you?	I'm well over six foot and I weight over 400 lbs. I'm trying to slim back down to 325.
I might have to grapple a little with someone every month or two. And maybe once or twice a year someone will take a swing at me. Really? 2.5 years of security experience at various college town bars and I don't think I've gone more than a month without punches being thrown at me. I figured Vegas would be worse. What about weapons? Knives ever an issue?	Not in the upscale clubs like the one I work in now. I've been at the other end of the spectrum. Redneck bars and downtown dives where a night without violence is a rare treat.
Fat fuck (my once chance to insult a bouncer without getting a broken nose).	No one ever makes fun of my weight (except for my asshole coworkers) until I kick them out or deny them entry. Then it's all, "Fatass! Fatfuck! Fatso!"
	When I don't get mad, they freak the hell out and get even more pissed.
What's the most hilarious way you've ever seen a guy try to end up in bed with one of the strippers?	Well the obvious one that comes to mind is buying lots of lap dances. "If I just buy one more, she'll be mine!"
	But for sheer hilarious sadness, I'd have to go with a guy that used to come into one of the clubs I worked at. He was obsessed with this stripper and he would come in almost every time she worked. This was in another state, that didn't allow lap dances, so the dancers were up on a stage and danced for tips.
	He wouldn't tip her. Instead he'd bring her flowers or little stuffed animals and write her the sappiest love letters you can imagine. The girls would read them back in the dressing room and laugh their asses off. He genuinely believed that she was going to fall in love with him and they would get married. I had to kick him out one time. I can't even remember why. He freaked out because she was going to be the next dancer on stage. He started screaming about how she loved him and how mad she would get if I kicked him out. He was fighting me with like all of his scrawny little might, but the second I got him out the door he just went limp and started crying. He curled up on the ground by the door and just sat there bawling for like 15-20 minutes.
	In second place would be the packs of roided out guidos from New Jersey who constantly talk about how loaded they are, but then they never spend any money. They all leave the club later talking about all the girls they could have taken home, but they just didn't feel like it.
About 8 months ago I went to one of the more well-known Vegas strip clubs. I had had a few drinks but I wasn't wasted. Unfortunately, I was by myself. At some point I blacked out and when I came to, it as 9AM and I had 2 nasty black strippers dancing on me in a private room. The club showed me several bills that I don't remember signing totaling $10,000. Question: Do Vegas strippers roofie customers to take advantage?	Not that I've heard of, just lots of alcohol. You should have challenges those charges with your credit card company. If you were impaired they would probably charge them back. The club would have to have a legible signature and some form of evidence that you were aware of what you were signing such as video of you signing.
I did challenge. The club kept copies of all receipt with side-by-side photo copies of my ID. ultimately I fucked up, but I sincerely think the dancers, bouncers and managers of this place have some procedures in place to take advantage of dipshit easy targets like me.	They do.
Fairly new to Reddit but I do a lot of reading and yours is the first I actually read all the way to the end so thank you for the entertainment. Trying not to repeat a question, I saw someone say what was the most hilarious thing someone tried to do to sleep with a stripper and that pathetic guy story was told. What would you consider is the best chance to actually take home a stripper would be...aside from turning her into a hooker?	Be really attractive, have lots of money, or be famous. Or any combination of the three. It's just like hitting on any other girl. Just this girl wants your money right now, so she can spend it on stuff. And she's not wearing much. And she's probably at work to earn, not to meet guys. So if you're not buying dances, she'll go to someone else. Plus you sort of creep her out, whether she admits it to herself or not. If you want to take home a stripper, find out where they hang out after work and hit on them there. There is a little dive bar just off the strip that is like a few blocks away from a half dozen strip clubs. Several of my friends have picked up dancers there. Two of them didn't even bother going home and just got busy in a bathroom stall. I see guys leave the club I work at with off duty strippers all the time.
What is your novel about and how long have you aspired to write?	I just finished outlining a sci fi novel and have a few chapters written, but I'm shelving it to work on a modern humor novel based on my experiences at work. I've been writing casually for years, but I started doing it seriously about a year ago.
Any interesting bribes you've gotten? And taken?	I get flashed a lot. But they never ask in advance if that will get them in, so they usually end up disappointed. I also get, "Hey, she's single." as her friends shove towards me. I usually politely decline. I accepted once, and she made me lasagna the next day. It was yummy.
What was the most intense moment for you while doing your job?	I was working as the manager at a country bar in Wyoming. I was called up one Wednesday night by one of my bartenders who told me that a road construction crew was causing trouble in the bar. I walk in, sit down, and watch them for a few minutes. There is a couple sitting at the bar. The guy gets up to use the bathroom, and the 'big guy' on the road crew trips him and he falls down. I walk over and tell them to leave. They laugh. I grab the leader and choke him out in like five seconds flat, then drop him. His head hits the hardwood floor with a crack like a rifle going off.
	I should stop to stay that this was a small town, and when I took over the place I met with the county sheriff. I asked him what was allowed and what wasn't. He shrugged and said, "Well, try not to kill anybody." So I was being a lot more aggressive that I usually would have.
	There was a moment where I figured the other four were going to beat the shit out of me or grab their buddy and leave. Everything is quiet for a second then one of them steps forward right as they other three all kneel down to help their friend. The brave guy stops, looks back at his friends, frowns, and steps back. They carry their buddy out. He comes back the next day and apologizes and asks me what I did to him, he couldn't remember it.
	That was a close one.
What's the craziest thing you've seen go down? Fights, guns, naked ladies, whatever.	Hard to pick just one...
	A few years I was working on New Year's Eve. The club was jam, packed. People were like sardines in there. A saw a commotion ahead of me and pushed through the crowd towards it. I broke through into a clearing and there was this cute little blonde with a bunch of tattoos standing there. I could see all of the tattoos because she was as naked as the day she was born.
	"Miss, where are your clothes?"
	Impish smile. Vague hand wave over her left shoulder. Drunken giggle.
	"What were you wearing?"
	"Why aren't you wearing it?"
	"I was hot!"
	"Have you cooled off, do you think we could go get it and put it back on you?"
	"Ok!"
	She took my hand and followed me through the crowd, stunned men staring at her like they'd never seen a woman before. Catcalls audible over the pounding house music.
	I got her back in her dress and told her to have a good night. I saw her on Dave Atell's Insomniac a few months later.
Thanks for responding. Was she high or just drunk do you think?	Just a little drunk. She just felt like being naked. She'd come into the club once in awhile and say hi.
How big are you?	That's what she said.
	Seriously though, I'm enormous. All night long I hear, "Your huge!" "Oh my god, you're so big!" "You're the biggest I've ever seen!"
	Then I tell her I have to go to work.
	Link to www.youtube.com
	No really serious this time. I'm like two and a half normal people all packed together. I'm in the process of slimming down until I'm just two.
Do people actually get beat up in strip clubs for misbehaving, or is that myth?	Almost never. There is one very infamous case involving the Crazy Horse Too in Las Vegas. In 2001 a bouncer broke a patrons neck and paralyzed him. This is the exception to the norm. Most bouncers, if they know what they are doing, won't do anything that could hurt a patron. The lawsuit and possible jail time that would be sure to follow is a great deterrent. For example, the last time I saw a bouncer in Vegas throw a punch was 3 or 4 years ago.
	Plus it's just not necessary. There are lots of us. We're for the most part bigger, better trained, and definitely more sober than our customers. So it's usually just a matter of restraining the patron until they calm down and then escorting them out. And that's when physical contact is actually necessary. Most patrons take one look at guys my size and leave when we ask them too.
What is your favorite part of your job? If you were to leave (I know you're working on getting your degree) what would be the thing you miss the most?	The girls.

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